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mineiro

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Re: €2,420 million fine
« Reply #30 on: July 01, 2017, 04:29:53 AM »
Oh yes caballero, Embraer is a good company, one of few that works here. We have petrobras (oil) too, that's now on corruption scandals. These big companies have been done with money of our ancestours, it's supposed to be a Brazil company, but the reality is that who owns goverment holds these companies. Man, only living on this wonderland to understand, it's hard talk about. Some company's have been created or maintained on militar age, after WW2. If you talk about military on my country don't expect good answers, they are "bad". Persons say that they killed 400 persons that was against military goverment on comunist epoch. One of that guys against military was Lula and Dilma. But what they don't show or talk is about 400 militants killing 300 civilians, that on cccp killed 20 milions persons, on china 64 milions, ..., how grow bilionaries from left side if everyone is supposed to be equal? . It's hard talk about. Petrobras was created by military, the money that come from petrobras is good, petrobras creators are bad.
If you stay in front of a hospital much more than 400 persons die per week, but nobody care, but if you say the word military ... .

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Re: €2,420 million fine
« Reply #31 on: July 01, 2017, 04:49:58 AM »
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Re: €2,420 million fine
« Reply #32 on: July 01, 2017, 05:30:14 AM »
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Re: €2,420 million fine
« Reply #33 on: July 01, 2017, 05:57:58 AM »
No. Think the idea was that capitalism would implode
Then they decided they could not afford to wait thousands of years for that to happen and changed their minds in 1917.  :badgrin:
 
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And that's a good thing?
Do you know what are unions commanded by the Communist Party?


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Sounds like northern Europe which has the strongest unions and as a result the highest salaries. And yes, they work less and less but still manage to produce more and more.
You live in Norway, so called Kuwait of Europe, it is easy to say we know how to do it better when things run so smoothly by a gift of God. But remember - correlation is no causality. :t And we all know that Norway had really bad times in the distant past.

mineiro

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Re: €2,420 million fine
« Reply #34 on: July 01, 2017, 07:35:54 AM »
Look for Hong Kong or Singapore 60 years ago and now. How they reached that?
The thing is not about capitalism or socialism, both systems have faults and goodies. If you have a stable economic system where goverment don't touch their finger, you can be anything that will work fine.
I have started talking about global goverment and the effects are clear, on Brazil 30 years ago you see poverty people without teeth smiling, today we are champions on depression. I'm not against help poor people, never I will be, but solution is not got money from banks and throw consequences to future generations.
Well, this is why I don't like Soros and Ford foundations, they are destroying us thinking that are doing a good thing.
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Re: €2,420 million fine
« Reply #35 on: July 01, 2017, 08:01:58 AM »
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Re: €2,420 million fine
« Reply #36 on: July 01, 2017, 08:13:17 AM »
You are talking about communism by the old books of father Karl Marx? Yes, that one can not exist, but they pretend it is an ultimate goal and in the meantime what matters is destroy the existing system :bgrin:

Well i'm glad you know about this.  :t But i don't think is impossible.
Apart from that, (i really can't start writting in english all what i think about that with too much facility), i think he and Engels were good thinkers and wrote very good works.  :icon14:

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Re: €2,420 million fine
« Reply #37 on: July 01, 2017, 08:25:35 AM »
I like to ask a question:
If we get all money of this world and divide to all persons on this world so everybody will be poor, no exception.
Anyone have a solution to take out poverty?
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Re: €2,420 million fine
« Reply #38 on: July 01, 2017, 08:54:16 AM »
I like to ask a question:
If we get all money of this world and divide to all persons on this world so everybody will be poor, no exception.
Anyone have a solution to take out poverty?

Sure, let's burn the money.

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Re: €2,420 million fine
« Reply #39 on: July 01, 2017, 09:04:01 AM »
I like to ask a question:
If we get all money of this world and divide to all persons on this world so everybody will be poor, no exception.
Anyone have a solution to take out poverty?

I see what you have in mind
Press Total Reset button maybe or shorten the population ?

mineiro

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Re: €2,420 million fine
« Reply #40 on: July 01, 2017, 09:41:11 AM »
I see what you have in mind
Press Total Reset button maybe or shorten the population ?
I don't like actual solutions, to me that's not a solution just the problem. Well, reset the world and I have sure that I will be reseted, shorten population too.  :biggrin: Smiling to not cry.
It's hard talk about a simple theme without generate some reactions on persons, a delicated talk because involve both sides of same coin.

felipe, Russia have excelent writers, a rich literature until today. A parent of mine tell me that if you search to 80 or 100 years ago you can find more than 100 thinkers, man, insane, my country today have 1 or 2 only.
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Re: €2,420 million fine
« Reply #41 on: July 01, 2017, 01:34:18 PM »
Ok mineiro, but Marx and Engels were germans.

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« Reply #42 on: July 01, 2017, 02:11:09 PM »
Think the country who work the longest hours in Europe is Greece. Do you start to see a correlating pattern here?
There is no pattern, you are confusing correlation with causality. And Greeks don't "work" the longest hours, I have been in Greece many times - they did not reach the bottom of the valley for their "hard working" hours. :badgrin:

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« Reply #43 on: July 01, 2017, 03:23:59 PM »
Think the country who work the longest hours in Europe is Greece. Do you start to see a correlating pattern here?
There is no pattern, you are confusing correlation with causality. And Greeks don't "work" the longest hours, I have been in Greece many times - they did not reach the bottom of the valley for their "hard working" hours. :badgrin:
Statistics are not Greece's strongest point.

In short, I don't buy the assertion that working less produces more. Sometimes I work 80 hours per week (well, some people believe I spend my days doing nothing  ;)) and I know that I can't really reach my goals with less hours.

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Re: €2,420 million fine
« Reply #44 on: July 01, 2017, 08:50:11 PM »
felipe, Russia have excelent writers, a rich literature until today. A parent of mine tell me that if you search to 80 or 100 years ago you can find more than 100 thinkers, man, insane, my country today have 1 or 2 only.
Ok mineiro, but Marx and Engels were germans.
I don't say that.


Sure, let's burn the money.
To me this is not a solution. After all money have been burn, what will happen? Barter?

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I was thinking about this, I like this talk.
And if instead burn all money we triplicate all money?
Money maybe cannot be the case, just consequence or effect.
I'd rather be this ambulant metamorphosis than to have that old opinion about everything