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Re: Professional bugs
« Reply #60 on: January 16, 2021, 01:18:37 AM »
jj2007, try to use ProcMon (from M$)
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Professional bugs: WhatsApp
« Reply #61 on: October 08, 2021, 09:48:18 PM »
Thanks, Morgot. It won't find the problem, though.

In the meantime, WhatsApp (which has dozens of users, I suppose) has launched a new bug WA Desktop version the day after their glamorous "no such server" event. If you are lucky, it tells you that it can't find ffmpeg.dll; if not, it won't tell you anything, but it won't start, either: error 18 if you have the right tools, just a blank screen if not. Here are hints how to work around the bug new features.

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« Reply #62 on: November 15, 2021, 10:57:33 PM »
For no particular reason, Thunderbird writes 37,669,980,222 bytes to my harddisk, in less than 10 minutes. That could be fatal for your SSD...

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A typical TBW figure for a 250 GB SSD lies between 60 and 150 terabytes written. That means: To get over a guaranteed TBW of 70, a user would have to write 190(!) GB daily over a period of one year

https://www.ontrack.com/en-us/blog/how-long-do-ssds-really-last

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Re: Professional bugs
« Reply #63 on: November 15, 2021, 11:11:58 PM »
JJ,

Just clear the cache, instant space recovery. I just checked mine, it has 82 megabytes of files.
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Re: Professional bugs
« Reply #64 on: November 16, 2021, 01:36:00 AM »
JJ,

Just clear the cache, instant space recovery. I just checked mine, it has 82 megabytes of files.

82 MB is 0.2% of the 37GB written; and disk space is not the problem. Thunderbug writes temporary stuff to disk. It's the writing for no particular reason that destroys the SSD in the long run.

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Re: Thunderbug
« Reply #65 on: November 16, 2021, 12:04:49 PM »
For no particular reason, Thunderbird writes 37,669,980,222 bytes to my harddisk, in less than 10 minutes. That could be fatal for your SSD...

Hi JJ,

are you sure that these are all write operations to your SSD?

The column "I/O Write Bytes": The number of bytes written in input/output operations generated by the process, including file, network, and device I/Os. I/O Write Bytes directed to CONSOLE (console input object) handles aren’t counted.

The numbers shown in my Taskmanager are more worse than yours.


Process Explorer shows me just a few KB written to disk.
Process Monitor shows me a lot of ReadFile and network I/O but very few WriteFile operations.

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Re: Thunderbug
« Reply #66 on: November 16, 2021, 02:22:41 PM »
For no particular reason, Thunderbird writes 37,669,980,222 bytes to my harddisk, in less than 10 minutes. That could be fatal for your SSD...

Hi JJ,

are you sure that these are all write operations to your SSD?

The column "I/O Write Bytes": The number of bytes written in input/output operations generated by the process

Yes indeed, "number of bytes written".

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The numbers shown in my Taskmanager are more worse than yours

Your Thunderbird has written so far 0.6 GB - mine 36GB, a factor 62 more

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Thunderbird destroys your SSD
« Reply #67 on: November 27, 2021, 12:55:49 PM »
86 GB written in one day, with only 16 minutes cpu time... shame on you, Thunderbug :sad:
user.js:
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user_pref("browser.cache.disk.amount_written", 0);
user_pref("browser.cache.disk.capacity", 0);
user_pref("browser.cache.disk.enable", false);
user_pref("browser.cache.memory.enable", true);
user_pref("browser.cache.memory.capacity", -1);
user_pref("browser.cache.disk.smart_size.enabled", false);
user_pref("browser.cache.disk.smart_size.first_run", false);
user_pref("browser.cache.disk_cache_ssl", false);
user_pref("browser.cache.memory.capacity", -1);

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WhatsApp Web is bugware
« Reply #68 on: March 01, 2022, 12:07:37 PM »
WhatsApp Desktop is a buggy software: every now and then, out of the blue, it decides to write many gigabytes to disk - not a good habit if you have an SSD with a limited number of write cycles. It destroys your SSD.

So I thought I should give WhatsApp Web a chance. Worse! How can people write such a lousy software?? We are talking text messages here, folks. Hundreds, yes, probably thousands, but even if I write 10,000 text messages with a 100 bytes each, that is just one megabyte. Why does this lousy piece of bugware write 5MB per second to my poor harddisk?  :sad:

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Re: Professional bugs
« Reply #69 on: March 01, 2022, 02:54:12 PM »
Just for that I will never use WhatsApp. I have never had problems with Facebook or Google/Youtube. You seem to have problems that I never see, I don't know if its a hardware problem, a configuration problem or if its a characteristic of smaller machines but I never get problems of that type with these big pigs that I build.
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Re: Professional bugs
« Reply #70 on: March 01, 2022, 08:16:47 PM »
Try googling "Whatsapp" Desktop "high disk usage"

Most people simply never look at the bytes written column of Task Manager. And SSDs break sometimes just like that, without any precise reason. Mysteries of Windows :cool:

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Re: Professional bugs
« Reply #71 on: March 02, 2022, 05:31:02 PM »
Mate,

86Gb written in one day, how big is your Inbox?
I would think that you inbox is big or it is checking for mail every minute. Or even re-indexing the inbox. Do you have any feeds configured in Thunderbird or is it just SMTP/IMAP?
With Thunderbird have you tried, to Repair and compact the Inbox?
I have about 3,600 email messages (Yea, I'm a bit lazy) so it uses about 400 Mb of memory on my Arch Linux system.

Have you looked at scripts to turn the Windows garbage off? Like the Telemetry. Chris Titus has some HERE for Win 10, if that is what you are using.

Or you could use the Web Interface for email.
EDIT: I use Firefox and some add-ons to remove ad's and disable Java garbage. But also in Firefox Tools -> Browser Tools -> Task Manager shows the Memory and Energy used.

Hope this helps.
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Adobe Acrobat is a fat bug
« Reply #72 on: April 13, 2022, 08:31:03 PM »
Trying to open a pdf, it takes ages... and yet, I've installed Sumatra several months ago, but damn Acrobat somehow manages to sneak in and take over, obviously at shamefully slow speed.

So I decide to get rid of the whole Adobe crap. Windows start menu, uninstall, and there it is in the list, at a whopping 649MB. One double-click and, wow, Adobe says bye bye. The dialog says "10 seconds left", and after waiting over 3 minutes (=180 seconds), I kill msiexec via Task Manager.

Problem solved :thumbsup:

The good news: Windows was lying. My disk has over 2GB more space now :biggrin:

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Re: Professional bugs
« Reply #73 on: April 19, 2022, 01:59:29 AM »
P.S.: It came back! The nasty Adobe bug manages to install itself behind my back, in the folder C:\ProgramData\Adobe

Now I have a file C:\ProgramData\Adobe, write-protected and hidden. We'll see :badgrin:

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Re: Professional bugs
« Reply #74 on: May 07, 2022, 03:22:17 AM »
Professional bugs: equals ME = got too much into
academics and forgot practical application rulez.
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