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Re: Pandemic ends in Europe ?!
« Reply #30 on: February 06, 2022, 08:23:55 AM »
Note that the most vaccinated countries at this point are the most infected countries on the planet

Absolutely :thumbsup:

Could I persuade you to use a LINK instead of large graph images.  :rolleyes:


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Re: Pandemic ends in Europe ?!
« Reply #31 on: February 06, 2022, 09:46:50 AM »
Vaccine reduce spread. Was more effective with erlier strains. Never was thinked that can prevent spread. Perhaps some vaccine saler could said that, but if you know the nature of coronavirus, that never came to your mind.

The nature of the virus:
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Mutation follows the path of least resistance. Most of the new variants that will be dominating in the future are already produced in the nose of those infected. If the current variant have none or low resistance that will be the one that spreads.

Normally natural immunity will be the main reason for new variants to become dominant but this is now forced by mass vaccinations, so the question on whether the vaccine will protect against new variants will therefor always be no.

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Perhaps in some countries you can take the desicion, and if you not vaccinate you don't go to hospital, you die in your home.

I guess you could increase the number beds if there's a pandemic going on or round up some random minorities to free up some hospital beds. In any case that will be a political decision which has no baring on the spread of the virus.

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But in most of the world unvaccinateds are going to take a place in hospitals, and that place could be necessary for other person.

The UK is the only country that makes these numbers public. Why that is I don't know but they no longer part of the EU and they also produce their own vaccines so maybe that's the reason. From the last report:

     total - unvaxed - vaxed - %vaxed

40-49  218152  22244   195908  90%  infections
50-59  139485  10045   129440  92%
60-69   54784   3747    51037  93%
70-79   17531   1268    16263  93%
>=80     8372    714     7658  92%

40-49    1118    580      538  48%  hospitalized
50-59    1359    619      740  54%
60-69    1265    499      766  61%
70-79    1117    329      788  71%
>=80     1220    261      959  79%

40-49     110     60       50  46%  deaths
50-59     239    116      123  52%
60-69     448    141      307  69%
70-79     717    169      548  76%
>=80     1337    241     1096  82%

So around 63 out of 100 beds are occupied by the vaccinated so you will free up far more beds by letting them die in their home. It is after all the vaccinated who goes around infecting everybody so this will also be more fear.

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Yes, very notable. For sure are the more connected countries, same connections that allow vaccination also allow virus spread. Perhaps a false sense of security also, I don't know.

You think this deserves an answer before political decisions are made of who is spreading the virus?

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Re: Pandemic ends in Europe ?!
« Reply #32 on: February 06, 2022, 11:12:31 AM »
So around 63 out of 100 beds are occupied by the vaccinated

     total - unvaxed - vaxed - %vaxed
70-79    1117    329      788  71%  hospitalized
>=80     1220    261      959  79%

70-79     717    169      548  76%  deaths
>=80     1337    241     1096  82%


With respect to hospitalisation and death, these are the most relevant age groups. Their triple vaccination share has been over 90% for more than two months now, and yet, their share in hospitalisation death is lower than the share of unvaxed.

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Re: Pandemic ends in Europe ?!
« Reply #33 on: February 06, 2022, 12:26:59 PM »
Don't worry Nidud, I'm beginning to think that best programmers are totally incapable to understand biological numbers (wich mostly is lack of biological numbers and context uncertainty).
JJ understand a lot of Biology (but don't have best places in my list of programmers  :biggrin:)

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Normally natural immunity will be the main reason for new variants to become dominant but this is now forced by mass vaccinations
You can´t read someone that say that in response to the question if a today vaccine can protect against a virus that don't exist. 


     total - unvaxed - vaxed - %vaxed

40-49  218152  22244   195908  90%  infections


That are administrative numbers, not useful to understand nothing. Unfortunatelly numbers for serious analysis are a lot more complex to obtain, and interpretation in real time very difficult. Specialist have a lot more data to help decisions. Decisions must be taken but indeed is gambling. Life is that.

I guess you could increase the number beds

Never talk in beds terms like periodist do. Think in places, because a place is a bed sorrounded by a medical team. Is easy to increase beds, but to increase places can take long years. At first was possible some reasignations, but in certain moment you can have what you have. The medical team are persons subjects to health problems too, then there is great uncertanty in number of places you have.

You think this deserves an answer before political decisions are made of who is spreading the virus?

People spread virus. Politics is people. They don't work together or against, they are the same thing.
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Re: Pandemic ends in Europe ?!
« Reply #34 on: February 06, 2022, 12:50:29 PM »
Ok, so here is something.
A family of 7 people that I know and that live close by, of the 7 people 3 were vaxed. The only ones to get really sick...were the vaxxed. Of the unvaxxed, 3 got a sniffle and 1 never got sick at all.

Going by the MSM (Main Stream Medias) BS all should have got sick.

Even the half-witted moron that is on the MSM, here in Australia, admits that the majority of people that are dying are the vaxxed.

BUT, they are sneaky mongrels, they class the unvaxxed as "unvaxxed" up to 14 days from the jab. Remember that when seeing "un-jabbed" numbers.
They are manipulating everything.
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Re: Pandemic ends in Europe ?!
« Reply #35 on: February 06, 2022, 01:54:52 PM »
Mutation follows the path of least resistance. Most of the new variants that will be dominating in the future are already produced in the nose of those infected. If the current variant have none or low resistance that will be the one that spreads.

Normally natural immunity will be the main reason for new variants to become dominant but this is now forced by mass vaccinations, so the question on whether the vaccine will protect against new variants will therefor always be no.

You can´t read someone that say that in response to the question if a today vaccine can protect against a virus that don't exist. 

Nevertheless that is exactly what happen as the quote you refer to was written before the virus existed and the prediction based on the nature of the virus is now a reality.

All flu vaccines are created to protect you from a virus that don't exist.

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Re: Pandemic ends in Europe ?!
« Reply #36 on: February 06, 2022, 05:41:00 PM »
The Czech Republic also ceases most of the mandates on SARS-CoV-2 from 9th Feb. on.

So, a little summary.
  • South Africa
  • Spain
  • Denmark
  • Switzerland
  • Sweden
  • England (whole GB ?)
  • Czech Republic

With the Omicron variant, SARS-CoV-2 now has become as dangerous as the common flu.
Natural immunity is far better than from vaccination.
Most of the mandates are not neccessary anymore.

Aren't this good news ?

Nidud, do you know what Norway is planning ? I guess they will follow Denmark and Sweden ?
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Re: Pandemic ends in Europe ?!
« Reply #37 on: February 06, 2022, 11:22:45 PM »
Greenhorn,

Aren't this good news ?
Nidud, do you know what Norway is planning ? I guess they will follow Denmark and Sweden ?

Of course! :thumbsup:

Nidud, do you know what Norway is planning ? I guess they will follow Denmark and Sweden ?

This is exactly what will happen.

For the occasion. Those who understand Hebrew can listen to Prof. Yaakov Jerris. Otherwise, Efrat Fenigson gives an appropriate summary above the video. By the way: This is a current interview and not such old news from November of last year.
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Re: Pandemic ends in Europe ?!
« Reply #38 on: February 06, 2022, 11:51:38 PM »
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This Grand Jury Investigation serves as a model legal proceeding to present to a jury (consisting of the citizens of the world) all available evidence of COVID-19 Crimes Against Humanity to date against “leaders,
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Re: Pandemic ends in Europe ?!
« Reply #39 on: February 06, 2022, 11:55:51 PM »
Nidud, do you know what Norway is planning ? I guess they will follow Denmark and Sweden ?

Yes, all restrictions was removed on Tuesday except from the "meter" and mask mandate which will be reviewed next week.

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Re: Pandemic ends in Europe ?!
« Reply #40 on: February 07, 2022, 12:47:38 AM »
In Finland covid peak have been topped.
Only those Convoy nuts stuck streets, before understanding a real finnish mentality hits agains those nuts. We want have a free roads to drive, no nuts allowed.
As in Finland have enough machines to open roads from snowstorms, those nuts are not a big problem, easy blow away of streets :thumbsup:
Without any legal permission to have protest in some place, why to wait ?
Not many people understand, whay is going on and who are behind that :sad:
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Re: Pandemic ends in Europe ?!
« Reply #41 on: February 07, 2022, 07:04:32 AM »
what happen as the quote you refer to was written

It's your quote, all that have signatures of fraude.
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Re: Pandemic ends in Europe ?!
« Reply #42 on: February 07, 2022, 07:19:47 AM »
The Canadians relocated their bollocks ...  :thumbsup:

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Re: Pandemic ends in Europe ?!
« Reply #43 on: February 07, 2022, 08:25:47 AM »
what happen as the quote you refer to was written

It's your quote, all that have signatures of fraude.

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Yes, you quoted me and I quoted myself from a prediction made Nov 10, 2021 with regard to your statement about the nature of the virus. The Omicron variant was first reported to the WHO from SA Nov 24, 2021. That is the mutation that now burns through the vaccinated population.

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Re: Pandemic ends in Europe ?!
« Reply #44 on: February 07, 2022, 08:33:57 AM »
That is the mutation

 :thumbsup: That is, mutations happen, your vaccinate or not, the rest is a lie. A today vaccine can protect against a new mutation?: nobody knows.
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