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TimoVJL

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Re: Green hypocrisy in Germany
« Reply #15 on: February 11, 2022, 10:29:03 PM »
Electric cars are good for collecting temporary energy, but before that, better powerlines had to been build.
How many charging places are now near people ?, not so many.
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Re: Green hypocrisy in Germany
« Reply #16 on: February 12, 2022, 07:23:57 AM »
The same old problem raises its head with renewables, BASELOAD power. Wind is erratic, solar does not work at night, storage is not yet big enough or reliable enough and tides have not been exploited in a useful way. That leaves dirty old coal, not so dirty gas and really clean nuclear (when its not done on the cheap with old technology).

A world running on renewable energy sits shivering in the dark and the cold.

NOOKLA anyone ?  :tongue:

Tides are a very powerful energy source except they are generally not in an area close enough to be useful. In the Kimberley region of northern OZ is a horizontal waterfall, properly a narrow gap between the open ocean and a large bay and with 10 metre tidal changes, there is reall big grunt in terms of power flowing through that gap. Its just too far away.
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Re: Green hypocrisy in Germany
« Reply #17 on: February 14, 2022, 10:02:33 PM »
> Wind energy is by far the cheapest now, followed by photovoltaics

I, who am illiterate in all this, wonder how it is that, then the energy bill does not stop rising. And how is it that several countries are planning the construction of new nuclear power plants, such as France or China (150 new).
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Re: Green hypocrisy in Germany
« Reply #18 on: February 15, 2022, 12:43:28 AM »
> Wind energy is by far the cheapest now, followed by photovoltaics

I, who am illiterate in all this, wonder how it is that, then the energy bill does not stop rising.

Good question! Here are the answers.



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And how is it that several countries are planning the construction of new nuclear power plants, such as France or China (150 new).

France subsidises nuclear energy, simply because they want to keep their nuclear bombs.
China subsidises nuclear energy indirectly by not applying the necessary safety standards. Wait and see.

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Re: Green hypocrisy in Germany
« Reply #19 on: February 15, 2022, 01:24:47 AM »
So, the price of gas has nothing to do with it? That is, since there is not always wind and sun, we need to burn natural gas to produce electricity, and our gas suppliers have raised the price.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFHeYtl8nNQ

Interview with Alfredo García, Operador Nuclear, he is a popularizer of nuclear science and technology, Communication award from the Spanish Nuclear Society and an active defender of the role of nuclear energy as a tool to mitigate global warming. He is a Telecommunications technical engineer, has a degree in Audiovisual Communication and has the operator and supervisor licenses granted by the Nuclear Safety Council and necessary to operate at the Ascó nuclear power plant (Tarragona).



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Re: Green hypocrisy in Germany
« Reply #20 on: February 15, 2022, 02:03:47 AM »
Alfredo García, Operador Nuclear, he is a popularizer of nuclear science and technology, Communication award from the Spanish Nuclear Society

Why don't you write "some guy paid by Big Pharma Nuclear"?

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Re: Green hypocrisy in Germany
« Reply #21 on: February 15, 2022, 03:35:25 AM »
Is it true that natural gas must be burned to supply the unproductive times of wind/solar generators or is it not? Why does the bill increase?
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Re: Green hypocrisy in Germany
« Reply #22 on: February 15, 2022, 04:11:05 AM »
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Re: Green hypocrisy in Germany
« Reply #23 on: February 15, 2022, 04:31:04 AM »
Caballero,

Why does the bill increase?

At least for Germany there are several reasons:
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The prices for natural gas are rising and rising and if you read our newspapers and watch the usual TV formats for the reasons, the answer is quickly found: Putin is to blame! What else? There it needs already the Satiriker and European delegate Martin sunborn, in order to bring a little light into the thing. Not Putin or Gazprom, but a mixture of anti-Russian actionism, the liberalization of the gas market and the profit motive of German gas traders are to be blamed for the misery. Above all, the transatlantic whims of the Poles have led to a situation that can only be called grotesque, in which Germany supplies Poland with gas while the storage facilities here are emptying and prices are exploding. Why do we not read or hear anything about this in the major media? Are they so busy with their anti-Russia propaganda that they simply ignore such an important issue?

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Ursula von der -uhm- Leyen recently made a deal with the USA - of course behind closed doors - about importing more fracking gas from USA.

Regarding the "Fairy Forest" and the wind generators, it seems that it is about grabbing subsidies from EU or DE. The website you've linked says:
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All designated areas are low wind areas. Paradoxically, these areas are particularly highly subsidized. And that is the only reason why such gigantic wind turbines are to be built there. Nevertheless, the energy yield of the wind turbines remains doubtful - the price is all the higher.

So, yes, it's hypocrisy.
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Re: Green hypocrisy in Germany
« Reply #24 on: February 15, 2022, 04:47:17 AM »
Just wait for a CO2 filtered mask mandate for wearing masks with a CO2 sensor and GPS built in (to collect CO2 tax and limit your freedom of movement ) to safe the climate.
It will reduce a lot of CO2 emissions.  :biggrin:
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Re: Green hypocrisy in Germany
« Reply #25 on: February 15, 2022, 05:20:18 AM »
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Keeping war exercises isn't cheap.
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Re: Green hypocrisy in Germany
« Reply #26 on: February 15, 2022, 05:25:30 AM »
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Keeping war exercises isn't cheap.

But a useful propaganda tool.
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Re: Green hypocrisy in Germany
« Reply #27 on: February 15, 2022, 05:35:24 AM »
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Keeping war exercises isn't cheap.

But a useful propaganda tool.
So this should go to humour topic :biggrin:
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Re: Green hypocrisy in Germany
« Reply #28 on: February 15, 2022, 06:07:27 AM »
Only if it's funny, this isn't  funny at all. It's a game of fools......
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TimoVJL

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Re: Green hypocrisy in Germany
« Reply #29 on: February 15, 2022, 08:38:50 AM »
So you are position to deside, what is funny and what is not.
No freedom of humour, i have to ask that from ...
Good riddance of ...
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