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Siekmanski

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Re: Green hypocrisy in Germany
« Reply #30 on: February 15, 2022, 08:52:35 AM »
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Keeping war exercises isn't cheap.

But a useful propaganda tool.
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Only if it's funny, this isn't  funny at all. It's a game of fools......

So you are position to deside, what is funny and what is not.
No freedom of humour, i have to ask that from ...
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I have nothing to decide, but you do apparently...
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Re: Green hypocrisy in Germany
« Reply #31 on: February 15, 2022, 09:04:06 AM »
Only horse and fools --
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Re: Green hypocrisy in Germany
« Reply #32 on: February 15, 2022, 02:51:10 PM »
RE :Renewable energy.

Ah, but the wind stopped blowing and its a cloudy day, why won't the lights turn on ?

Ah, how do we keep warm now, burn the furniture ?
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Re: Green hypocrisy in Germany
« Reply #33 on: February 15, 2022, 08:29:11 PM »
Don't worry, Hutch, you are not the only one asking these questions. There are thousands of qualified economists and engineers working on it :thumbsup:

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Re: Green hypocrisy in Germany
« Reply #34 on: February 15, 2022, 09:03:47 PM »
> Don't worry
Let me be worried, if you don't mind

> There are thousands of qualified economists and engineers working on it
All of them being payed by the same person, so their conclusion will be where the money goes.

> working on it
So, we substitute all the working power plants by other that don't supply the same energy and the previous work to know if this is factible is being implemented now... thousands of qualifed economists and engineers...
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Re: Green hypocrisy in Germany
« Reply #35 on: February 15, 2022, 09:59:24 PM »
I am not sure of the virtues of how energy is being managed in the EU and the UK. With energy prices going through the roof, the choices for an ever increasing number of people is, do I eat, do I keep warm, can I afford to go somewhere to work ?

The loss of nuclear power via ideology, the hassles blocking the Russian gas supply, the inadequacy of unreliable renewable energy is leaving an every increasing number of people in the EU and UK in dire straights. It hits the poor first and the worst and eventually goes up the economic scale.

No-one gives a phuk about who is doing it tough, grubby power games and clapped out ideology are killing people by means of starvation and the cold. Tell a dead body about the virtues of clean air, happy green forests and you will not get a response.

The only viable solution is a graduated shift from fossile fuels to renewables over time and the rapid phasing out of the forrmer will kill the latter.
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Re: Green hypocrisy in Germany
« Reply #36 on: February 16, 2022, 01:08:21 AM »
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Re: Green hypocrisy in Germany
« Reply #37 on: February 16, 2022, 02:11:40 AM »
Nidud is right.

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Re: Green hypocrisy in Germany
« Reply #38 on: February 17, 2022, 12:30:39 AM »
> The loss of nuclear power via ideology

It's all about money, ideology is used to keep people's mouth shut. There is a plague of unproductive locusts consuming public resources.
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Re: Green hypocrisy in Germany
« Reply #39 on: February 17, 2022, 01:02:26 AM »
> The loss of nuclear power via ideology

It's all about money

I agree. Nuclear power is now the most expensive energy source, but it gets subsidised. Why? Because you can't make much money with thousands of photovoltaic or wind energy installations - there is competition. But one big fat nuclear plant that costs 1 Billion in the planning phase but 10 Billion when it approaches the end: there you can milk the taxpayer like nowhere else :badgrin: :badgrin:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7c/3-Learning-curves-for-electricity-prices.png

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Re: Green hypocrisy in Germany
« Reply #40 on: February 17, 2022, 08:51:37 AM »
The real problem with nuclear energy is how it is crippled and restricted at an ideological level with scaremongering bullsh*t about how it will damage the planet etc etc etc .....

Yes its expensive to set up and yes the greenies, old hippies and anti-nuke brigade have done everything to force the price up and lengthen delays but would the same bunch accept blackouts, freezing cold winters, no electric light, forget cooking and the collapsing infrastructure that follows not enough power ? Yo ho ho, doubt it, that result is only for the plebs who don't matter. Who gives a phuk if they go hungry when they need to stay warm ?

When you flick a switch to turn on the lights in winter, dirty old coal and nuclear are your friend. Its called base load power.
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Re: Green hypocrisy in Germany
« Reply #41 on: February 17, 2022, 01:54:04 PM »
I agree. Nuclear power is now the most expensive energy source, but it gets subsidised. Why? Because you can't make much money with thousands of photovoltaic or wind energy installations - there is competition. But one big fat nuclear plant that costs 1 Billion in the planning phase but 10 Billion when it approaches the end: there you can milk the taxpayer like nowhere else :badgrin: :badgrin:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7c/3-Learning-curves-for-electricity-prices.png

Please post links, not massive images that flood the topic.

I'm so sorry that you didn't like the image, Hutch :tongue:

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Re: Green hypocrisy in Germany
« Reply #42 on: February 17, 2022, 06:50:09 PM »
Blasting of thermal power plant

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYwV5xHUsl8


Coal plant blast

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ozpy-JA_ORs



But it is now when thousands of experts are seeing if it is feasible to change everything to renewable energy.


Nuclear power plants have a life cycle where their investment is amortized, once this milestone is reached the resulting energy is cheap.

The nuclear sector has assured that the plants "are not amortized", with annual investments of close to 300 million euros, and has underlined that the cut that the Government intends to make to their remuneration, together with the current rates, taxes and duties , "increase the financial suffocation of the nuclear park and lead it to cease activity".
In a statement, the Nuclear Forum, the employers' association of this industry, which expresses its perplexity at the statements that the plants are amortized and that they enjoy 'profits from heaven', points out that these plants are currently losing money as a result of "a disproportionate, discriminatory and confiscatory taxation".
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Re: Green hypocrisy in Germany
« Reply #43 on: February 17, 2022, 09:42:54 PM »
Tell me more about their "remuneration", I thought you were a capitalist country? Does the nuclear sector need subsidies in Spain?

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Re: Green hypocrisy in Germany
« Reply #44 on: February 18, 2022, 12:40:39 AM »
https://www.world-nuclear.org/information-library/country-profiles/countries-a-f/france.aspx

France derives about 70% of its electricity from nuclear energy, due to a long-standing policy based on energy security. Government policy is to reduce this to 50% by 2035.
France is the world's largest net exporter of electricity due to its very low cost of generation, and gains over €3 billion per year from this.
The country has been very active in developing nuclear technology. Reactors and especially fuel products and services have been a significant export.
About 17% of France's electricity is from recycled nuclear fuel.
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