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Re: Green hypocrisy in Germany
« Reply #60 on: February 19, 2022, 06:47:52 AM »
In the process, plants convert CO2 (my God, this climate killer!) into oxygen, which, as we know, we urgently need for breathing.

Wow, the CERN scientist speaking. If all atmospheric CO2 was split into C and O2 (provoking a new ice age), the concentration of O2 would jump from 20.95% to almost 20.98%. Brilliant idea :thumbsup:

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Re: Green hypocrisy in Germany
« Reply #61 on: February 19, 2022, 07:53:31 AM »
Wow, the CERN scientist speaking. If all atmospheric CO2 was split into C and O2 (provoking a new ice age), the concentration of O2 would jump from 20.95% to almost 20.98%. Brilliant idea :thumbsup:

With this you really show everyone here what a chatterbox you are.
  • I have never called myself a CERN scientist. After all, my name is not JJ.
  • Splitting CO2 into C and O2 - this stupidity can only come from you.

Here is the gross formula of photosynthesis: 12 H2O + 6 CO2 + 48 light quanta → C6H12O6 + 6 O2 + 6 H2O
The reaction is endothermic, ΔG0 = -2 880 kJ / mol glucose. That's a little bit of biophysics.

And now: Go to the bottom of the class! Optionally, you can also ask to delete this thread. It wouldn't be the first time, would it?
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Re: Green hypocrisy in Germany
« Reply #62 on: February 19, 2022, 09:36:10 AM »
Something that does not seem to have been properly exploited is energy derived from the orbit of the moon, IE => tidal energy in the form of water movement. Splits into 2 forms, wave energy and tidal movements. There are areas around the world that have higher than 10 metres tidal difference and it the right context, there is massive power available that would convert directly into electricity.

Solar has its uses if there will ever be a decent technique for power storage and wind energy has a similar advantage if you can put it in the right place but both are intermittent where anything that works off the rotation of the planet and the orbit of the moon is far closer to being consistent without the time and atmospheric drop outs.
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Re: Green hypocrisy in Germany
« Reply #63 on: February 19, 2022, 11:11:03 AM »
This is a question you shouhld ask the operator of the power plant (Vattenfall).
Ok. For the electric system that solve the "excedente problem". Even it can pay a little for that.

For wind mills already installed that solve unexpected unproductive time. Any increase in use improve economic numbers.

But for future developments, efficiency impact in costs.

You have a good point, first go to take adventage of what is already deployed  :thumbsup:
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Re: Green hypocrisy in Germany
« Reply #64 on: February 19, 2022, 01:56:42 PM »
Steve,

Something that does not seem to have been properly exploited is energy derived from the orbit of the moon, IE => tidal energy in the form of water movement. Splits into 2 forms, wave energy and tidal movements. There are areas around the world that have higher than 10 metres tidal difference and it the right context, there is massive power available that would convert directly into electricity.

for classical power plants with tidal range there are about 100 - 150 suitable bays worldwide. The Kaplan turbine is mostly used for this purpose. But due to the salt water, there is severe corrosion on the turbine.
But that's only one problem. Another is the different amplitudes and phases between spring tide, middle tide and neap tide. It'll be difficult to achieve continuous operation with tidal power plants.
 
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Re: Green hypocrisy in Germany
« Reply #65 on: February 19, 2022, 02:08:47 PM »
You have a good point, first go to take adventage of what is already deployed  :thumbsup:

Yes, that's the trick. If you want to convince someone, you have to discuss the matter. Ideology doesn't help here.

By the way, intermediate storage of electrical energy in mechanical energy is not the only variant. Intermediate storage as chemical energy is also already practiced. And don't worry: This will not provoke a new ice age.
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Re: Green hypocrisy in Germany
« Reply #66 on: February 19, 2022, 02:25:18 PM »
Kaplan turbine, an interesting technology for fixed hydro electric applications but probably not for coastal tidal energy sources. The location I had in mind was near Broome in west OZ.

https://media.tacdn.com/media/attractions-splice-spp-674x446/0b/39/aa/83.jpg

This double inlet has massive volumes of water and a fixed hydro style application would not work there. Something that floated so it rose and fell with the tide would make more sense.
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Re: Green hypocrisy in Germany
« Reply #67 on: February 19, 2022, 10:12:26 PM »
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Re: Green hypocrisy in Germany
« Reply #68 on: February 19, 2022, 10:27:49 PM »
Germans have an other own secrets too :undecided:
https://www.rt.com/news/549921-nato-expansion-russia-document/

Yesterday evening the Heute Show showed a video with Foreign Minister Genscher saying exactly: no NATO enlargement. I fully understand that the Russians feel cheated.

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Re: Green hypocrisy in Germany
« Reply #69 on: February 20, 2022, 01:05:50 AM »
@Gunther
Finns knows , who are unreliable partners.
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Re: Green hypocrisy in Germany
« Reply #70 on: February 20, 2022, 02:01:48 AM »
There is something obvious that not all that many are aware of, the invasion of Russia and the population losses were traumatic to the whole country so the modern Russia rather than the old Soviet are deadly serious about not being invaded again.

It may suit American business interests to block Russia and make Europe more dependent on high priced US energy supplies but it would be a huge disposition to much of Europe in terms of energy prices and reliable energy supply. Manufacturing countries like Germany and France would be slugged very badly by much higher energy prices which in turn would effect their pricing and competitiveness in their manufacturing field.

The current fiasco in Ukraine is effectively trying to drive a wedge between Europe and Russia to assist American corporations to sell uncompetitive high priced energy to Europe. Last I heard in the news was that the Ukrainian army are shelling Donbas to try and force the Russians to retaliate.
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Re: Green hypocrisy in Germany
« Reply #71 on: February 20, 2022, 02:25:07 AM »
Intermediate storage as chemical energy is also already practiced. And don't worry: This will not provoke a new ice age.
  :biggrin: Naturally, idea is to store energy some hours, not to kill life on earth.
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Re: Green hypocrisy in Germany
« Reply #72 on: February 20, 2022, 04:27:22 AM »
HSE,

  :biggrin: Naturally, idea is to store energy some hours, not to kill life on earth.

Well, you can store mechanical or chemical energy much longer than just a few hours. This is what practice shows.
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Re: Green hypocrisy in Germany
« Reply #73 on: February 20, 2022, 04:38:59 AM »
@Gunther
Finns knows , who are unreliable partners.

I don't understand what you mean.

I have not said in a single syllable that Finns can't be relied upon. I've only articulated my concerns in this post and this one. You should please read that again.

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Re: Green hypocrisy in Germany
« Reply #74 on: February 20, 2022, 05:40:37 AM »
@Gunther
Finns knows , who are unreliable partners.

I don't understand what you mean.

I have not said in a single syllable that Finns can't be relied upon. I've only articulated my concerns in this post and this one. You should please read that again.
You propably know what i mean, but you don't accept my opinions.
Now others know a your weak points.
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