Deep Seek - Extended Diss - Concussion

[TimoVJL]

DeepSeek / DeepHole / DeepShit / ..

Don't worry Timo. I'm not interested in LLM. Thread's title is just funny idea.

To train DeepSeek cost US$ 5 millions. To train Bleeker's NNet to fit curves cost around US$ 0.05   

Thanks, HSE.

Please, some links to NNet project...

[HSE]

Hi Timo!

some links to NNet project...

Originals still are available in MadWizard Digibrain 2

I used an adaptation for ObjAsm32, wich later I adapted to ObjAsm C.2:  Playing with Neural Network.  (link is also first post)
There was posted a gif that show the real problem, but not longer is there. 

HSE

Later: it's in wayback machine 

[NoCforMe]

Some older people have a hard time getting used to new technologies and do not appreciate the time, talent and effort of their creators.
I use DeepSeek and Qwen2.5-Max Chat to generate MASM64 assembly code without macros.

Ah, yes: the young whippersnapper chiding the old men for being such sticks in the mud and not embracing the newfangled technology.

So you're using some "AI" apps to generate MASM code: fine and dandy.
Some folks might consider that cheating, like looking on someone else's paper during an exam. After all, most of use our own brains to generate code, but whatever.

And it's true that some of us old farts are stuck in the mud and are mistrustful of any of this newfangled stuff.

But please, please do not confuse those apps you're using with any kind of intelligence.
They're cleverly designed and appear smart, but they're really not.
Thinking they're intelligent is like the average housewife's view of computers back in the 1950s or so: "oh my, those complicated machines can actually think!".
No, they can't.
The housewife's ignorance can be forgiven. The current technophile's view of "AI" as the salvation of mankind cannot be forgiven. They really ought to know better.

[jj2007]

But please, please do not confuse those apps you're using with any kind of intelligence.
They're cleverly designed and appear smart, but they're really not.

These ChatGPT etc just parrot what they find on the net! The difference to human intelligence is that AI has no particular bias, it uses just everything it can find

[TimoVJL]

Currently housewifes might be too smart in these days, as they might have time to learn, what good sex is from net.
Very bad for old men like me.
Even Kazakhstan women know, what they need.
Neutral networks works 

[NoCforMe]

Neutral networks works 

In English, we say "neural networks work" (plural),
Is that what you're saying here? that that AI somehow is real and works like a neural network?

[TimoVJL]

Playing with english language is fun, as it have many variations and large usage.

[NoCforMe]

Playing with english language is fun, as it have many variations and large usage.

as it has many variations.
What you're writing is bad English.
How would you like it if I wrote bad [whatever your native language is]?

[TimoVJL]

You can't teach me, as a your native language isn't so good, as we have seen in this site.
Nitpicking wont work outside USA?

[NoCforMe]

Nitpicking wont work outside USA?

Is that a question or a declarative statement?
Surely you would never write C (or asm) with such bad syntax, would you?

[TimoVJL]

We have already used to it, there is standard C and Microsoft C 

[NoCforMe]

We have already used to it, there is standard C and Microsoft C 

OK, you got me there.

[ognil]

Some people might consider this cheating like looking at someone else's work during an exam.

It's like this forum. Someone creates code and everyone uses it 

Ultimately most of us use our own brains to generate code, but whatever.

It's impossible. Baby brains are empty and start filling up by using what other people have created before them.

But please, please don't confuse these apps you're using with any kind of intelligence.

Duh, duh, duh... nowhere and never did I say that the machine is smart, intelligent and well-dressed. I'm just saying that it did a job for me that you couldn't. 

Those ChatGPT etc. are just repeating what they found on the net! The difference with human intelligence is that AI has no particular biases, it uses everything it finds

Who is talking about "human intelligence" here?

DeepSeek has collected and will continue to collect data to infinity, incomparable to the volume of the human brain.

[NoCforMe]

Ultimately most of us use our own brains to generate code, but whatever.

It's impossible. Baby brains are empty and start filling up by using what other people have created before them.

That's true, but after these blank-slate babies have learned how to do something from other people, something quite magical happens: this ineffable, mysterious thing called "intelligence" starts working and, lo and behold, they can now start to create, write code, direct movies, paint, etc., all on their own, without resort to any of this infernal machinery like "AI". That's the difference between us and the machine.

Besides, that's not even correct: according to Noam Chomsky, probably still the world's leading linguistics expert, babies are not born as tabulae rasae, blank slates upon which the world inscribes its knowledge: they're born with language skills already implanted in their minds, which develops over time and with interaction with others.

DeepSeek has collected and will continue to collect data to infinity, incomparable to the volume of the human brain.

Meh; much like the Internet in toto, which has accumulated all that data, if one is willing to dive deeply enough into it. (After all, where do you think ChatGPT and DeepSeek and all the others get their data from?)

[TimoVJL]

Australia has banned DeepSeek from all government devices, a top official said, citing privacy and malware risks posed by China's breakout AI program.